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That said, I've seen 1 small problem:

It's a pain to find someplace to get brakes.  The store I bought them from
doesn't carry the damn things.  I've made an interesting discovery however.
The TRS brake assembly bolts right on! There is a slight difference between the
2 systems, but it seemed quite secure when I bolted on the TRS assembly.  I
haven't skated on this yet, so I can't guarantee that it works, but it seems
like it'll be fine.  The RollerBlade brake systems use much more material in
the brakes, so I'm sure they'll last longer then the stock CaliforniaPro ones
(the CaliforniaPro brakes are cylindrical, kinda like those funky skates with
2 wheels on each side of the boot. ;)  ).
I'm planning to get a TRS assembly soon and really skate on it.  I'll let you
know what happens.

Anyway, if anyone is looking for good reasonably priced skates, I would strongly
recommend the CaliforniaPro Nitroline skate.  BTW, they do have a cheaper model
(like ~$90) but it lacks the buckle, and unfortunately I don't remember what
sort of wheels it had.

CaliforniaPro can be reached at:
10637 Roselle St., Suite G
San Diego, CA 92121
[phone]
[phone] - FAX

Have fun. BTW, I have no affiliation with CaliforniaPro.

-Mark ([e-mail])

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From: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 25 Nov 91 13:09:38 GMT
Organization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA

I test drove my new Gretzky Wings this past Saturday in a hockey game.
They roll very smoothly and the boot is quite comfortable.  The lower part
of the skate laces and the upper part has the ski boot style buckle. This
makes for a very snug ankle fit.   I would recommend these buckle styles
for any skaters that really like a snug fit.  One of the things I didn't
like about my last pair of skates was that it was hard to pull the laces
very tight with the plastic boots.  I like my hockey (ice) skates very
tight and snug (like they're a part of my feet), and the buckle really
allows for that feel on the inline.

Since I'm still pretty much a greenhorn at inline skating, I've got a few
things to learn about stopping in a hockey game!  Especially now with
skates with very fast bearings.  I love the fact that I can corner much
better with the Wings than my older skates, and the speed and
smoothness is much closer to ice now too, but ya just can't hockey stop
in an inline like you do on ice (and I keep forgetting that!).  Any other
inline hockey players have comments on stopping style?

I also removed the brake from my skate about midway through the game,
and it made turning around to skate backwards much easier.  I kept
catching the brake sometimes when I'd turn around.  I don't recommend
skating without a brake around town (hills and such) but on a flat surface
during a hockey game, not a bad idea.  I also found that I could turn more
easily by pivoting on the front wheels instead of the whole skate.  Might
be able to retain the brake if I perfect this technique more.

The liner in the Wings is also very comfortable.  Pretty thick foam so
even when the skate is tight, you don't feel like it is digging into your
foot.  I'm pretty happy with the skate so far.

Oh yeah, we were playing hockey on a tennis court.  Great surface, pretty
smooth (although ours here at Carnegie Mellon have some major cracks
in them) so you roll nicely, and don't shred yourself when you fall, but
rough enough that you can really hug the surface on turns.

--Tom

P.S.  The Wings are also on sale now at the Great Skate for $170.  This
       is a *GREAT* price.  I paid $183 at Sabreland for mine, which is
        the best "regular" price I found.  I didn't get my Great Skate
        sale catalog until a few days after I had already ordered them
        from Sabreland.  If anyone is interested in a fast, comfortable
        skate, I'd recommend looking into these.  Enjoy!

P.P.S.  They also give you this really cheezy video of them making an
        UltraWheels video with Gretzky.  A real selling point!  (HA)

-----

The Reviews section of the October issue of Outside has an excellent article
about in-lines. The writer reviews skates he likes from Ultra Wheels,
SwitcHit, Bauer, Riedell, and Rollerblade.

He also describes the nature of learning new things on skates: you often will
find that you learn new skills instantly -- or will find that you already know
how to do something, but won't discover it until The Moment of Trial. I won't
spoil the stories he tells, but I do think he embellished his Boulder Creek
Trail story a bit--I don't think I've ever hit 40MPH on the section of trail
mentioned on my Racers. Perhaps 30. That's fast enough. It is a fun little
section of trail, provided that few other users are around.

The writer strongly states that lateral support is mandatory. This is not
necessarily true. Good racers prefer to have their ankles free for more power
on the stroke. World-class skaters -- both quad and in-line -- will use
boots that are cut very low. However, substantial lateral support is very
useful for almost all non-racing types.

My other gripe, a small one, is that I view the RacerBlade as an excellent
commuting skate, not necessarily as only a beginner's racing skate. If you're
mainly interested in getting from Point A to B and already have some
experience, don't ignore the "Racer".

All in all, an excellent article. Some good ideas for folks who want to try
something other than Rollerblade skates. Check it out.

Phil Earnhardt          [e-mail]
Netwise, Inc.           Boulder, CO  [phone]

-----                     == SWITCH-IT REVIEWS ==

Switchit's address is:

Innovative Sport Systems, Inc.
6507 Cecilia Circle
Minneapolis, Mn 55439

Some of the SwitchIts features are nice.  Both my roomates have Switch-its,
but have had some problems:

1) They have the lace up (not buckle ones), and they have an extremely
   though time getting them tight, and keeping them tight.  I've never
   seen the buckle version (probably the SwIt high end).

2) One pair came with very short axels, which weren't quite long enough, and
   he had a wheel pop off while skating.  Very dangerous.  SwIt sent him a
   new set of axels (where the threads came all the way though the bolts, not
   just 1/2 way), and appologized, but I have to question their quality
    control, and commitment to safety for ever shipping crap like this.

3) My one roomate and I do a lot of jumps and he's having problems with the
   plastic hubs of his wheels crumbling.  Overall the wheels don't seem to
   hold up under *heavy* stress.

I didn't really like the long wheelbase, or the fact that there is a
un-removeable brake stop on each side.  I also liked the top buckle on the TRS.

-----

Yeah, I looked at SwitchIts, but:

* Their homegrown wheels looked cheap and flimsy.
* The "Laceless" model only has two buckles -- in fact it has lace
  holes so you can use both.
* They weren't all that comfortable
* They weren't all that cheap
* I don't do Ice right now, and as has been pointed out, swapping left
  and right runners is not an adequate way of rotating your wheels.

But on the positive side:

* I like the long wheelbase (back wheel farther back) and big wheels
* It has a little thingy to keep the liner heel from coming up off the
  heel of the boot while you skate
* They're lighter than a lot of skates (but not nearly as light as
  Aeros)

Can anyone tell us about the Reidell 601 Extreme?  I've heard this is
a good skate.

David B Rosen, Cognitive & Neural Systems         Internet: [e-mail]

-----

I have a pair of SwitchIts.  They're nice skates, and certainly
better than the standard hired RB's.  I tried on a pair of Macros,
but didn't like them.  I haven't tried the AeroBlades yet (but if I
like them, I may get a pair of them too).

The SwitchIts are nice for these reasons:

1.  Most people have RB's, and I like to be different.

2.  They're good if you like Ice as well.

3.  Swapping wheels is very simple -- just swap all 4 at once

4.  No LACES!  This is the single best feature for me.
    The velcro straps on some brands seem a little flimsy,
    and I don't like doing up laces.  I love the plastic
    bindings

5.  Mounting system allows you to retrofit your most comfortable
    existing boots for SwitchIts.  Useful for experienced skaters.

6.  Very comfortable, and seem to be light ( but I haven't seen
    any Aeros yet).  Good ankle support.

7.  There's an inner boot which may be easily removed and washed.

Against:

8.  The brake mountings extend a little too far back for my liking.
    Even if you remove the brakes, the mounts could get in the way
    during cross overs or when going down steps fast.

9.  The wheel base is a little long for sharp turns, spins or trix.

10. The boot can get a bit sweaty after 5 hours of skating.. :-)

11. There was only one color, a hideous bright orange, in my size.
    Some other brands use brighter colors.

Paul Gillingwater, [e-mail]

From: [e-mail] (Paul Gillingwater)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: 16 Jan 92 19:31:17 GMT

I'm a SwitchIt owner.  I like them.

> 1)  Brakes are significantly smaller than other skates.  True, they give
> you two brakes, but neither brake frame is removable!  The smallish
> brake pads have less stopping power and wear faster than other
> manufacturer's brakes

Yes, they do wear faster.  The frame isn't removable, which can be a
hassle when going forwards down steps.

> 2) Only two buckles on the Switchit 1141.  Can you offer enough support
> with only two buckles?  Wear not talking some rear-entry ski boot here.
> In fact there are still holes so you can use laces for additional
> tightening.

I find that two can give enough support, at least for my needs.  I
have trouble with laces... :-)

> 3) Hubcaps on the wheels have been known to simply crumble, although
> this is due to higher-than-normal stress.  IMHO, hubcaps, although
> providing some scrape protection seems like just adding to the menage of
> wheel-geer parts.

Yep.   I have lost most of my hubcaps as a result of scrapes and
bangs.

> BUT, as much as I slam Switchits, there are many GOOD points:
>
> 1) Long wheel base of 11.5 inches, good for a little more stabilty
> if you need it (i.e. don't do a lot of tricks/spins...) and can take
> 76mm wheels.

They're FAST too -- but that's the wheels I guess.

> 2) Although the brake *frame* is not removable, the brake pads
> themselves are changeable withOUT tools.  A big plus when you're on the
> go.

Quite right too.  Just unscrew them by hand.

> 3) Ability to swap wheels quickly (although, as it's been pointed out,
> this isn't as useful as it seems, since wheel rotation should include
> changing positions too).

This can be a benefit if you're lazy (like moi).

> 4) The only skate on the market to let you swap the rollerblade for a
> ice hockey blade.  (However, real ice hockey skates never have a hard
> urethane shell because it's too stiff.  As far as I can tell, ice hockey
> players would rather have a soft leather shell for flexibility.)

Quite right -- in fact one of the biggest drawbacks is the boot.  But
SwitchIt mechs (i.e. the heel plate) can be retrofitted to most pro
leather boots.  This is a big plus.

Paul Gillingwater, [e-mail]


From: [e-mail] (Tim Rice)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1992 15:15:42 GMT

I owned a pair of the Micron hockey skates back around '80.  I grew up on
Bauer skates (Black Panthers, 92's, etc.).  When I got into my 20's my feet
were too wide for Bauer's anymore (to much trouble with in-grown toenails).
The Microns are the urethane (plastic) boot with an ICM blade.  They were a
nice skate except that motion side to side was too restrictive.  The boot
didn't pivot enough in that direction so I would "often" lose an edge and
wind up on my butt.  This finally happened once during a game where I got
hurt, I went head first into the boards.  The skates were retired just after
that.

Other than that the boot was great.  It provided many advantages over a
leather boot.  One I didn't see you mention was that it distributes the
shock from a puck much better than leather.  Again this is speaking from
experience since I had some toes broken in this fashion.

After experimenting with different skates I'd buy leather because it is
still the best all around.  The only real disadvantages to leather are the
break in and down aspects.  They provide the most control.  The next problem
is in finding a leather skate.  I stay away from synthetics as much as
possible.  I prefer GRAF skates.  The break in period is very short.  The
break down period is also short (downside).  It is a very comfortable boot
and provides the most control I've found.  They are rather expensive 200+
for a hockey skate, considering they won't last 3 years.  An active high
school type player may only get one year out of them.  For someone my age
they're perfect, I get 3 years out of a pair.  It's about time for my third.

                        == END SWITCHIT REVIEWS ==
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                          == AEROBLADE REVIEWS ==


By the way, I love my new Aeros.  Much better glide than the Lightnings I had
been using (rental loaners).

Something I thought was extra neat, although I haven't taken advantage of it
yet, is that the rockering SLOTS are offset.  This allows a flat blade, a
shallow rocker, a deep rocker, and combinations.

What do I mean?  This is the flat blade setup.

   ---               ---
   | |   ---   ---   | |
   |x|   |x|   |x|   |x|
   ---   | |   | |   ---
         ---   ---

I don't know, maybe this is an old idea, and the Aeros aren't first, but I
*love* this kind of design detail!

-----

I have a pair of Aeroblades.  Here are my comments:

On the plus side:

* Boots very lightweight as mentioned.
* Ventilation good.
* Allows you to bend forward a lot.  (And not side to side, fortunately.)
* Boot positions shin tilted forward more than some other skates --
  encourages you to bend knees more -- a good position for skating
* Big wheels (76mm)
* ratchet buckles are pretty good
* lightweight but strong frames (runners)

End-on view of frames (very schematic):
 Aero     Other
_______  _______
\#   #/    | |
 \   /     | |
  | |      | |


Cons:

* The buckles don't "remember" your previous setting when you remove them
  like the Macroblade ones do.  But you can always mark it with a felt tip
  pen I suppose.

* The brake is like that on the lightnings and macroblade, but it is made
  of "a new composite material" that SQUEALS LIKE HELL WHEN YOU BRAKE.
  Scares the daylights out of unsuspecting pedestrians.  Rollerblade told me
  this would stop when the brake pad was broken in, but it hasn't.  I just
  bought a lightning replacement pad -- I hope this cures the problem.

* I've had some trouble with the fit to my feet.  These seem to be narrower
  than my old rollerblades.  They should really offer both D and E widths
  like Bauer does.  It may also be that three buckles and a very thin boot
  can't support the whole foot all that well.

* The place where the tongue overlaps with the rest of the liner digs two
  ridges into my foot.  Also the footbed (insole) they come with is fairly
  uncomfortable and non-anatomically-shaped.

* They seem to have missed some places that need ventilation. the areas under
  the tongue and and the front and back of my ankles still get quite sweaty.

* On some skates the two parts of some of the buckles do not line up quite
  parallel -- this could lead to premature wear or slipping.

* Some were shipped with wobbly wheels (non-true) -- but your Rollerblade
  dealer should replace them for you if you bring them back in.  Also
  the wheels are not centered with respect to the bearings, and they
  have a cheap-looking part on where I guess they were cut out of their
  mold during manufacturing.  Makes me want Hyper Wheels.

* Wheels aren't as light as the newer wheels from Hyper and Kryptonics.

* I've decided I like softer wheels, to handle those bumps more gracefully.
  Aeros are 78A so maybe my old Zetra 608s had 74A?  But I don't know of any
  inlines that come with softer than 78A nowadays.  Maybe I'll splurge on
  some new wheels.

* Front wheel is further forward than on other skates.  This is okay for
  the experienced skater but I don't recommend it for a beginner because
  this can make the skate unstable if you put your weight forward onto it.
  This may make the skate faster for racing, but it also makes more leverage
  that tends to lift your heel inside the boot, so proper fit becomes even
  more important.  I think they should have moved all four wheels back a
  little (maybe 1/4 inch), since having the back wheel back a little improves
  stability.

* I don't like the color options -- can't they offer something more low key so
  people outside of California aren't embarrassed to be seen in it? :-)

* NMB 608Z bearings (made in singapore).  I have heard that these are not as
  good as the GMN 608Z german bearings that at least used to come in the
  Lightnings.  Not that I've noticed any difference in performance myself.

* Back of the brake sticks out a little more than I think is necessary, which
  can get in the way of crossovers if you're not careful.

* The frame spacer / bearing spacer / axle system is poorly designed.  It does
  not hold the wheel quite straight, and it seems to bind the bearings a little
  when you tighten the bolts a lot, which you have to do to prevent the wheel
  from slipping up and down a little during skating.  Before tightening there
  is too much play and the frame spacer does not properly meet the bearing --
  one of them starts to slide off of the the other on one side.  I don't know
  why, but the one pair of Lightnings I looked at were better than the Aeros in
  this respect, even though they *appear* to have the same parts for this.
  Phil Earnhardt says Reidell has a superior spacer system.  I used to have the
  old metal-runner Zetra 608, which held the center of the bearing via metal
  washers and spacers, and worked much better in that way.  They should make
  the inner diameter of the frame and bearing spacers smaller to match the
  axle, and the frame spacers and the inner part of the bearing spacers (which
  holds the two bearings apart) should be made of aluminum instead of plastic.

I hope somebody at Rollerblade reads this.

David B Rosen, Cognitive & Neural Systems         Internet: [e-mail]

-----

David B. Rosen writes:
>I have a pair of Aeroblades.  Here are my comments:
>
>* The brake is like that on the lightnings and macroblade, but it is
>made of "a new composite material" that SQUEALS LIKE HELL WHEN YOU
>BRAKE.  Scares the daylights out of unsuspecting pedestrians.

It is pretty effective, though, at getting those dim-wits who don't
know what "on your left" means to move off the path... :-)

>* I've had some trouble with the fit to my feet.  These seem to be
>narrower than my old rollerblades.  They should really offer both D
>and E widths like Bauer does.  It may also be that three buckles and a
>very thin boot can't support the whole foot all that well.

Same here.  I've got relatively wide feet, and I'm just hoping that,
over time, my liners will compress a bit and my boots will stretch just
a bit to fit my feet better.

>* The place where the tongue overlaps with the rest of the liner digs
>two ridges into my foot.  Also the footbed (insole) they come with is
>fairly uncomfortable and non-anatomically-shaped.

Of all things, my heels are uncomfortable in my Aeroblades.  It feels
as though I'm putting far too much pressure on them.  Has anyone else
experienced this?

>* I don't like the color options -- can't they offer something more
>low key so people outside of California aren't embarrassed to be seen
>in it? :-)

Ditto!  I'm all for basic black...

-JC, [e-mail]

-----

I like the Racerblade as a commuting skate. The long wheelbase gives you a
lot of front to back stability. I feel much more comfortable at a given speed
on my Racers than I do on my Lightnings.

Rollerblade announced the Pro Racer at the Chicago outdoor show in July. You
can see the skates on Team Rollerblade racers if you make it to one of the
Rollerblade races this summer.

>It Looks like the Macros are being phased out.

That's what I've heard from local retailers. Interestingly, the early promo
pictures they had of the Aero had a single ratchet buckle and two of the
Macroblade velcro buckles. The retailer was happy they went with 3 ratchets--
customers really prefer them to the Macro buckles.

Phil Earnhardt          [e-mail]

-----

The only suggestion I have is buy the best skates you can possibly
afford--and maybe even a pair that you can't REALLY afford, but by
scrimping somewhere else you can do it.  Or, alternatively, buy
a cheaper pair of skates but outfit them with high performance
wheels and A-grade bearings before you even hit the pavement (that
is probably the best solution, if you haven't got a lot of money).

I bought a pair of Rollerblade Zetra 303s in May on a whim.  They
cost $150, and I didn't want to "spend to much on something I might
not stick with."  Well, I didn't know it at the time but those skates
were inhibiting me, and within 20-30 miles the el-cheapo C-grade
bearings had melted down and left me with an inoperative pair of
blades.  Two months later I finally got around to calling the shop
where I got the skates to find out about getting them repaired under
warrantee.  They said it would take 8-10 weeks while they shipped
them to Minnesota, determined if it was really a warantee repair,
and then shipped them back--and there was no guarantee they wouldn't
charge me for the repair if they thought it was "my own fault."

Well, in 8-10 weeks there will be snow on the ground up here,
so I was a little upset.  I went out and bought a pair of AeroBlades
($300) in a fit of pique, and man I should have done that in the
first place!  All I can say is, for twice the money you get three
times the blade.  The fast wheels and bearings have a lot to do with
it, but the buckle (as opposed to lace) closure system is a dream.
A medium-priced alternative are the Lightnings, which have
buckle closures but not the fancy chassis.

I'll shut up and let someone who really knows what they're talking
about advise you, but I'll stick by the "best you can afford"
recommendation.

Andy, [e-mail]


                        = END AEROBLADE REVIEWS =
-----
                        = RACING SKATES REVIEWS =

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Can anyone give me information on brands of 5-wheel skates, besides
>racerblades, that are available?  I'd very much appreciate any info at
>all.
>
>M. P. Bunds, U. C. Davis

The good news is that there are models from many different manufacturers.  I
have heard of models from Bauer, SwitcHit, Riedell, Rollerblade (Racerblade
plus the Pro Racer), Viking (A very good European ice speed-skating
manufacturer), Bont (Australian ice), etc.  There also is a movement for
manufacturers to sell racing boots with a pair of threaded bolts to attach
either blades or runners for wheels. Yeah! Standardization!

The bad news is that I've never seen anything other than the Racer in retail
markets.You're going to have to either travel to someone who sells the skates
or do it via mail-order. Marty Hill of Built for Speed sells stuff out of his
house in Syracuse, NY. Dave of SMR sports ([phone]) does the same out
of Riverside, IL. SoH ([phone]) was planning to sell the SwitcHit
5-wheeler when it became available.

If at all possible, I'd go in person to one of these stores and make sure you
find someone knowledgable about the long skates. You might be leary of SoH,
since they appear to have a pretty cozy arrangement with SwitcHit.

Have you tried the Racer? It's a bit on the heavy end for a 5-wheeler, but is
very robust and probably a good skate to start out on racing. (Heck, any of
the faster 4-wheelers are fine, too!) Some Rollerblade demo vans have the
Racer available; you can try a pair there. Some very good racers are winning
races on the Racerblade.

One other piece of good news: Rod Murillo, a member of Team Krypto, is now
reading alt.skate. Welcome! He's far more qualified to talk about racing
than I am; he might have some suggestions for you.

Phil Earnhardt          [e-mail]

-----

From: [e-mail]
Date: 13 Nov 91 23:06:25 GMT

I got some new racing skates about 2 months ago. I love them!!! I tryed
on Zanstras and Racerblades. Looked into Bauer and leather boots (from
Built for Speed). After all my looking...I bought Ultras from Sventech
in Seattle (sold by Ultra).

Here are thoughts that might help others who are looking at racing skates.

Zanstras

There are three problems with Zanstras, from my point of view. Firstly,
the bearings "seem" really cheap. They aren't as smooth as I would like
and they make too much noise. Secondly, the boot is really
uncomfortable. A number of racers have complained that they bind the top
of their feet too much. In fact, some people cut out the sizes of their
boots. I found this true when I tryed them on. Finally, my size (6-6
1/2) only comes with four wheels....great why buy racing skates. The
good thing about Zanstras is that they are pretty light.

Racerblades

The Racerblades are really comfortable! It's like riding in pillows.
However, it's also like using a limo in a road race. They felt too
big and heavy (though I don't really remember their weight). Once I felt
the weight, I knocked them off the list...so I can't comment on the
bearings or wheels.

Bauer

As with the Zanstras, the Bauers don't have 5 wheels in my size.
However, the boot looked really comfortable. I knocked them out as soon
as I heard about the wheel limit.

Leather Boots

Sorry...I may be into skating....but I would like to try and stay out of
the poor house. I was looking at spending $700 to $800 for leather
boots. Maybe if I ever get close to beating Karen Edwards or the other
top women skaters, I'll think about it...but I think that will take more
than just new skates.

Ultras

The Ultras have a titanium frame. The lengths come in 13, 14 and 15
inches. The boots are very comfortable (I can usually keep them on for
three hours before they bother me). The boot fit is like the Racerblades
with a buckle and wide fit, but the shell is very light. The boot can be
molded to your foot with a dryer or hot water. In a rough estimate,
with 5 wheels they are about the same weight as my 4 wheel
Rollerblade 608s.

I guess what finally made the sale..was Bancroft hill in Berkeley. I can
jam down Bancroft without any shaking. The ride is very smooth. The
bearings are smooth and fast. By the by...they come with Hyper Wheeles.

The only problem is...no brake. So, I may not need it for racing....but
I would like one for working out. Berkeley drivers don't know what to do
with a skater.

I guess my advise is...try on everything (in your price range). Some
people swear by skates I rejected. What everyone is looking for in a
skate is different. I wanted good low weight racing skates.

Still plowing down hills....

betsy

By-the-by, does anyone know of something to put on road rash (second
skin or the likes)?

-----

From: Donn Baumgartner, [e-mail]

I can recommend the Xandstra Skeelers, which are available locally from
Riedel, without hesitation.  I have used these skates on the OMRA circuit
for the last two years and am very pleased with them.

I have the Xandstra 6000 - but got it directly from Walter Xandstra a few
years ago when he came to the New York race.  I use the Hyper 80mm wheels...
and prefer the harder (82A) wheels, but many racers prefer the 78A's and
even the 75A's.  Personal preference... but the harder wheels hold up a
little longer.

There are many shops nationally that carry this (and many more) inline
skates... such as:

        Competition Skates                Trailways Skate Rental
        c/o John Skelton                  c/o Tom Sehlhorst
        501 Springville Cr.               611 Palm Bluff
        Birmingham AL 35215               Clearwater FL 33515
        [phone]                    [phone]

        Montrose Skate                    Shop Skate Escape
        c/o John McKay                    c/o Janice Phillips
        1406 Stanford                     1086 Piedmont Ave
        Houston TX 77019                  Atlanta GA 30309
        [phone]                    [phone]